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are also dead. >> so our hearts are broken today. for the parents and grandparents, sisters and brothers of these little children. may god bless the memory of the victims, and in the words of scripture -- heal the broken hearted and bind up their wounds. ♪ ♪ >> boy, what a year. hoping for real good things in 2013 certainly. the next hour of "cnn saturday morning" begins right now.
-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning. i'm alison kosik. >> and i'm christi paul. it is 8:00 on the east coast. 5:00 for all you early birds out west, obviously. >> and it's early. >> yes. start with negotiations going on this weekend to try and keep going off the fiscal cliff. the deadline is now just three days away. president obama is modestly optimistic. our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin has more on what needs to happen in order to make a deal. >> reporter: alison, christi, hi. the good news is things could have been worse. it doesn't seem to those of us watching from the sidelines as though time is running out, but congress does some of its best or at least its speediest work when the nation's back is against the wall. after a rare oval office meeting with top congressional leaders, the president said he's modestly optimistic a deal can come
together. emphasis on "modestly." >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. >> reporter: both sides left an agreement, at least over their next step. >> we'll be, would go hard to try to see if we can get there in the next 24 hours. >> whatever we come up with is going to be imperfect. some people aren't going to like it. some will like it less, but that's where we are. >> reporter: on saturday they will try to agree on legislation preventing income tax, providing pay cuts to medicare providers and fixing the alternative tax. the president says an agreement must include an extension of unemployment benefits. republicans called for a measure to overt and estate tax hike. >> nobody's going to get 100% of what they want. >> reporter: on sunday, they'll try to get their senators to back the vote and schedule a
vote. so the pressure is on for senator majority leader harry reid, and mitch mcconnell, be sure no republicans block the bill. for house speaker john boehner to agree to bring it to a vote on the house floor and leader nancy pelosi to predict a huge number of democrats needed to pass it. but if that plan falling through -- >> then i will urge senator reid to bring to the floor a basic package for an up or down vote. >> reporter: the president's basic package has much more for democrats to like. so don't expect that to get very far, but all sides now agree the senate must first pass a bill before the house makes any kind of move. so all eyes will be on mitch mcconnell and harry reid and their negotiatorsoled up on capitol hill. the senate comes back into session at 1:00 on sunday. christi, alison? and the cliffhanger continues. jessica yellin, thanks. and january 1st is the deadline to make a deal on the
fiscal cliff. for some states, it's a day that a series of new laws are going to take effect. let me get you clued in here. in california, talking more than 800 new laws, including one requiring apartments and condos to install carbon monoxide detectors. separately, employers will no longer be able to ask job applicants for log ins to social media accounts, such as facebook and twitter. and the increase between 28 cents and 37 cents per hour affects more than 1 million low-income earners. thanks to laws that have lower minimum wage to keep price. and the price of stamps is set to go up? e, again, by a penny, on january 27th, which brings the price of sending first-class mail to 46 cents. well, the senate has also approved a five-year extension of the foreign intelligence surveillance act allowinging the government to eavesdrop on
overseas phone calls and e-mails from potential terrorists. they say it's protected us from more attacks like 9/11. others argue the bill could be abused. the bill is being sent to president obama and he is expected to sign it. and the state's same-sex marriage law went into effect at midnight. the first in line to tie the knot, and they say they've been waiting years for this moment. >> it's very surreal still. we didn't -- we didn't expect all the cameras and everything tonight. >> we finally feel equal, and happy to live in maine. >> it's official now. >> after nine years, it's -- it's all good. >> yep. >> maine, washington state approved same-sex marriage, it's already legal in d.c. and six other states. let's turn to the weather. face it, it's affecting a huge
chunk of the nation right now. >> there's a lot of snow out there. in fact, snow currently covers more than half of the lower 48 states and unfortunately for some people, the storm's not over yet. let's bring in meteorologist bonnie schneider. what's going to happen today? >> alison and christi, looking at a brand new storm system that will give another one-two punch to areas covered with snow. you mentioned the snow cover. we have almost 65% of the country covered with snow at this time. look how far south. into northern louisiana. well, unfortunately -- or fortunately if you're off and looking for more snow -- you're going to get it. look at what's happening. the snow stretches from ohio all the way to the northeast are and to the south heavy thunderstorms through eastern sections of north carolina. as this energy works its way offshore, we'll be watching for the energy to travel from the midwest further off to the coast. chicago, you're getting light snow at this hour. you're getting plenty of snow across western pennsylvania, but i want to zoom into areas in the northeast where we're expecting the snow to accumulate going through much of. evening hours.
so we have winter weather advisories across the heartland all the way down through the mountains of virginia, and then you can see, we have four to six inch bes for much of new york state as well as into connecticut and new york. not necessarily new york city getting as hard-hit with this storm. several inches expected. what's fastcinating when talkin about a nor'easter system, as it develops off the coast, depending where the low pressure is centered, that will determine how much snow cities like boston and providence get. but the latest computer modelling are saying we could see six inches or more for the boston area. that's why a winter storm warning is now in place. so the snow will begin later on today and continue through the night, and it may be something you have to plow or shovel out by the time we get to tomorrow morning. we'll be watching this very closely. you can see that the winter weather advisory is a little less for the cape, because you have that ocean moisture and ocean temperatures a little bit milder and that influences whether you get snow or rain. again, this looks like a powerful storm. here's the computer model showing we could see over a foot of snow in parts of
massachusetts and into rhode island. it's something to monitor closely. this is very common for new england, depending on the track and path of the storm, you really could see more of a rain event or more of a snow event. the latest forecasts, more of a snow event. meantime, the last system, temperatures settled in with bitterly cold numbers. we have them into the 20s right now in altoona. it's right at freezing this morning in new york city. that's why we're expecting it to stay as snow. philadelphia, you're at 33 degrees, and washington, d.c. at 39. maybe more noticeable for us southerner, not used to temperatures around freezing, but that's what we're seeing now. it's warmed up a bit in atlanta to 41, but temperatures will get colder. you can see 35 in memphis and mashville helping melt some of the snow that's falling across much of the midsouth. christi, alison? >> will we see any snow in atlanta? >> we saw snow flurries, early, i think yesterday or two days ago. so i don't think the moisture will catch up to the cold air in time, but, you know, this is only december. we still have months to go.
i think we'll get some snow here. >> you don't want it, christi. >> well, i'm from ohio. i mean, i miss it a little bit. >> it's exciting when it happens down here. >> it is. everybody gets so excited. don't they, bonnie? >> oh, yeah. >> bonnie, thank you so much. okay. we've got so much more for you this hour. >> here's a look at what's coming up. a young woman wins a restraining order against her parents. is this a case of abusive parents or an overly-entitled it child? you won't believe her complaint. still waiting -- three days to go, and still no plan top avert the fiscal cliff. what will lawmakers do to save you from more taxes and fewer bin fits? and they're back. kathy griffin and anderson cooper ringing in new year's eve, but why was kathy naked on a.c.'s couch? she's going to explain. so, this board gives me rates for progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes.
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all morning you're looking at ireporter moments of 2012. this one we told you about a little while ago, didn't have the picture. we need to show you beth woods, what she got this year. told in 2008 she wouldn't have children without medical help. look at this guy. her new son alex, so happy for her. her birth was her birth moment of 2012. beth, congratulations to you and your family. a hand some little guy. it's one of those weekends for investors, waiting and worrying, because lawmakers have just three days left to get a deal done in time to avoid the fiscal cliff, and that's what our focus issen ob this morning. for his part, president obama says he's modestly optimistic they can work things out. even if a deal is thrown together, senator harry reid says what they come up with
could be imperfect and some people aren't going to like it. bringen in independent new york stock exchange trader joining us from new york. good to see you. >> good to see you, alison. thanks for having me. >> as you said, washington has been kicking the can down the road. so what are the chances of a real deal going through at the very last minute? things sound a little more optimistic last night, if you listened to president obama. >> i think they have to sound optimistic. the last thing they want to do is not sound optimistic. here's the problem. we've come right to the 11th hour. the fact there's going to be a substantive deal that comes out in the 11th hour is probably nailed to zero. in my sense, it's easier to go over the cliff. then there's clarity, right? taxes up, spending cut. the market will know what is going to happen. it can only get better from there, because then you'll guess legislators that come to the table, that try to cut taxes and raise some spending and they'll argue it from a positive point of view and stand up and say,
rah, rah, look what we did. right? it won't get any worse if we go into the cliff. if there's a band-aid, confusion, no clarity. the market will probably react more negatively than actually going over the cliff. i think that's what investors have to be concerned about. now, that being said, i don't think the market's going to crash by any sense, because i think there's a lot of money still on the sidelines that needs invested, but people have to understand the difference between the two outcomes. >> but if there is a band-aid measure, you don't think the market's going to sell off on that, because it's going to create more uncertainty and confusion? >> i actually do think the market will sell off. worse on a band-aid than over a fiscal cliff, because the band-aid just leaves it completely confusing, and no one can plan. companies can't plan. people don't know what to do, and the impact is going to come on january 15th when people get their first paykplek and realize, oh, my god, what happened? so, therefore, i think what happens is that the market has
more of a reaction with a band-aid than with the actual cliff. >> i know you're a betting man. what are you placing bets on? band-aid, deal or no deal? >> i'm betting -- actually, i'm hoping that we go over the cliff at this moment, because i think there's more clarity but i'm betting they're going to come up with this last-minute deal which they'll try to present as look what we did, extended everybody's cuts another 60 day, and all it's going to do is create more confusion. i think that's what they'll come up with and try to make themself look like they've done the right thing when, in fact, i think it's going to hurt the market more. >> yikes. i'll look forward to that this week if that, in fact, happens. in a letter, ceos pressed leaders to reach a bipartisan deal to avoid massive tax hikes and across the board spending cuts that could lead to a recession. so, you know, what happens, let's say, if they actually do
get a deal, though? you know, are we going to see the market really rally? and then what could be the focus for wall street after that? >> listen, if we get a deal and we get a deal that's really substantive and realistic and that the market believes, i think absolutely the market will rally back. it will certainly rally back to the 1425, 1440 level. not 1475 unless they pull a complete rabbit out of the hat and all along had a deal, just keeping it a secret from everyone, i don't any that's going to happen. but the market will certainly rally. that's why every time one comes out and a optimistic you see the market try to take back some of the markets, because it wants a settlement, wants a resolution. the fact is, it's not getting itened a the market will vote with its feet, what you saw happen this past week and on friday specifically. >> kenny, how do you expect the markets to perform is the last train day in monday. how are you looking at if the markets to perform in 2013 and
what were some of the good sectors some inguevestors misse out in in 2012. >> setting up to be a good year, i think. not only this fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling debate, which will hit us actually december 31st, we hit the ceiling, but they've got extraordinary measures to take us through sometime in february. there's going to be continued volatility, but, in fact, that will provide some opportunity for the long-term investor had he's got the stomach to live through that. >> that is key. >> 2013 -- >> right. in 2013, not only in the u.s. but the global economy is starting to certainly stabilize and get better. i would look for industrial-type names. look for banks. we need money need financials . i like the banks. energy, the shale gas story a big story in 2013. look for sectors like that to kind of outperform in the new year. >> finally, got to get this in. you are a foodie.
you tweet out a daily recipe that i know i look forward to and have cooked some of the stuff you've put on this. you've tweeted at your handle. give us a perfect new year's eve, please, one that will prepare us for the looming fiscal cliff? >> you know, you're killing me with that. listen, i'll give you a great dessert. a coffee cream dessert. a great new year's eve dessert. it's simple to make, dark rum, espresso coffee, put it in a blender and then serve it in martini glasseses. put them in the fridge, let it get nice and cold. after your dinner, pull it out, put coffee beans on top, serve it. great dessert. martini grass, enlass. >> start with something sweet. i like it. thanks for waking up early and joining us. >> thanks. it may not be so easy to get money for that new car if washington drives us off the
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in india, the six suspects who gang raped a young woman and left her for dead are facing murder charges now because the 23-year-old has died at a singapore hospital surrounded by her family. some live pictures coming in to us right now, because in the wake of her death, protesters are filling the streets there in india's capital, as well as other cities. you see this candlelight vigil going on right now in new delhi. cnn is at the protest site there. joining us now by phone. malika, first of all, what's the situation like there? these protests look peaceful. have you heard any reports otherwise. >> reporter: it is a peaceful protest, right here at this candlelight vigil, a very smooth and peaceful protest. the police have been appealing for calm.
remember, last weekend's protests were anything but peaceful and calm, they were quite violent. today police have, police beefed up tremendously across the capitol. the protests, many have been here since 10:00 a.m., and it's now close to 7:00 p.m. in the evening, but throughout the day, the protests, they've been loud, they've been calm, but they have been very, very peaceful. >> i know protesters are calling the young victim lightning in hind dein hindu. why has this become such a lightning rod in india? >> reporter: a really good point you raise. it has become a lightning rod here in india. i think mostly because of the sheer brutality of the case. this woman, this young woman was beaten so badly and raped six times, the men using an iron rod
when they raped her. this is really -- you know, a nation of people that forced women to say, enough is enough. we are absolutely fed up with the way women are being treated india. we are fed up there isn't strict punishment for people who are responsible for attacks against women and this is real, it's the sheer brutality of what happened that caused people to stand up and say, enough is enough. this time the government has to do something concrete about protecting its women. >> are they -- when we talk about these protests, first of all, are there a lot of men at the protests? >> yes. i must say, that i was very surprised. i've been here for much of the day today, and at one stage in the afternoon, i think -- i actually think a number of men outnumbered, you know, the number of women over here. there are a huge number of men, and they thought it was very important for them to come out
here, to be seen, make themselves heard, and the message they had, not all men are beasts. they realize it's a horrible thing it really tragic, but there are a few bad -- you know, a few bad men shouldn't make a blanket statement and say all indian men are beasts. so they were here to make that point, and to say that they feel equally bad and terrible for what's happened and they, too, like the women in india, want a safer society for india's women. >> malika, what have we learned about these suspects? are their dent identities goinge released, especially now they're they're arrested? >> we know the names of five of them. one of them remains, his name has not been revealed yet, because he's underage. he's a minor. and another announcement they're going to press murder charges against these six suspects.
and that they will go ahead and announce as early as next week. there is a lot of pressure on the police and the judicial system in india to press charges against these six people. the names were released a few days ago. >> malika, thank you for the update it's of what going on there. now to other stories. facing two choices. hell or a political process. lau laucktar raheemy met with russia's foreign minister in moscow today. they urged and end to civil war. >> it is also more and more sectarian, and if we are not careful, if the syrians
themselves are not careful it will be a conflict with really dire conflicts for the syrian people. >> but it's not clear if the syrian regime or the rebels are listening as tanks and gunfire continue to fill syria's streets today. egyptian president mohammed morsi is calling for an end to violence. he said syrian's president's regime has no place. he says a new constitution guarantees quality for all egyptians. one sheriff says he knows how to keep kids safe in school after the newtown shooting. how to protect young students in his county. ♪ you are my sunshine, my only sunshine ♪
how is saturday treating you so far at 8:30 now? >> good breakfast. good o.j. welcome back, everybody. i'm christi paul. >> and i'm alison kosik. randi and victor are off today. thanks for starting your day with us. some stories we put an eye on this morning. arizona sheriff joe arpaio says his program is working so well he wants to use it in schools now. the maricopa county sheriff, background here, used are aed volunteers to protect area malls during the holidays for the past
19 years and in that time, there have been no violent incidents reported. on friday, he announced that he does plan to deploy the armed volunteers to area schools now ow as well. and the woman at the center of the newtown charity scam case has been arrested. apparently 37-year-old bronx woman, nouel alba made a facebook page claiming to be the aunt of 6-year-old victim noah pozner, one of the children killed in the connecticut shooting. she told donors money will go toe a funeral fund. if convicted, five years in jail and a massive $250,000 fine. and the sub wway incident i new york city. she pushed sunando sen to his death as the train approached in queens. security cameras caught the woman fleeing the scene. it's the second subway murder this month in new york city. and some good news regarding former president george h.w.
bush. despite remaining in the intensive care unit at a houston hospital, treated for an elevated feerch elevate ed fever. we have word he's improving. the 43rd president is alert and as always in good spirits. and russia's top diplomat and envoy to syria both say the bloodshed in syria must end. [ shouting ] >> video from thursday when local opposition leaders say more than 150 people were killed. this morning, though, we're learning there's talk of hope, of change, even a transitional government. why? because united nations special envoy lakhdar brahimi is in moscow today meeting with high government level officials about syrian president bashir al assad. he's been involved in a nearly two-year civil war that has seen the death of nearly 40,000 people. bring in a senior fellow at the washington institute for middle
east policy. thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. let's talk about president bashar al assad's options even if he did, let's say, want to make it out hastily by syria. by some accounts i understand he wouldn't even be able to go. why is that? >> well, at this point, president assad has murdered so many of his own people, that it's difficult for him to stay within the country, even in the homeland of his sect, on the syrian coast. or for other countries to accept him, because they realize that in a post-assad syria, a more democratic one, that the syrian people are going to be very angry at whatever country holds president assad. and then, of course, there's the issue of his own personal security. you can just end up with a bullet in the back of his head, and that's why many believe he'll simply go off to tehran, to syria's main alley. >> so they believe, what really are his viable options at this
point, in your opinion? >> i think the assad regime cannot rule over the entire country much longer. the regime can pull back, stay in damascus, whether he does that voluntarily or not, who knows. or go to the syrian coast, another option. try and tough it out there, oh try and go into exile somewhere where someone will take them. again, that's not clear. all are bad for the regime and we're looking at a syria not ruled by the assad regime in over four decades. how he'll go or how the regime will pull back or retract is hard to assume, but it's coming soon. >> you're talking about a death toll well over 40,000. does the united nations have an obligation to intervene? >> i think that the united nations and a lot of other countries would have an obligation to intervene, you know. the united states has put down a red line for chemical weapons. the united nations has tried to come up with a solution, but the
problem is that politically the united states and russia are still -- still apart on this issue, and we don't have the security council resolution, and in one of the key issues, does president assad have to go or not? i can't imagine a scenario now that the syrian opposition would agree to president assad staying on or an interim government. in fact, you've noticed the head of the syrian opposition has rejected talk it's with the regime that are coming out of moscow. >> all right. andrew, thank you so much for giving us insight. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. in chicago, the battle against crime is taking another grim turn. a firsthand look at what police officers are farrising there. facing there.
chicago reached a chilling milestone when a man was killed on the city's west side thursday he became the city's 500th murder victim in 2012. riding along with police officers earlier this year to see what it's like being on the streets. here's the report. >> reporter: there's a couple places i want to check out.
it's a friday night on the streets of chicago in the englewood neighborhood. joe patterson and leo schmidt have been cops here for 26 years. >> on these blocks, what you do is scan everything, and when they see you're a policeman, if they're doing something wrong or got a gun, they start moving away or running. >> gunshots fired -- >> reporter: as we ride along, near constant reports of shots fired over the radio. a call comes in that gets their attention. >> 64 to loomis. shots fired. that's one block away from a police station. >> reporter: it's also near a park, where in the morning, there's a community event planned. >> someone with a gun there. we have people over there setting up. >> reporter: when we arrive, no sign of the person with the gun, and no time to linger. we leave at quickly as we arrive, because there's another call just a few blocks away. >> man with a gun on 64, 44 bishop. >> reporter: several officers are there when we arrive. there's a man in custody, and this gun, which was found in the
house. >> we're still, would go. so -- hence the name of the game. that's how we -- we stop the next shooting. >> reporter: this year the homicide rate in chicago is up about 30%, which is not what first-year police superintendent gary mccarthy envisioned would happen when he took the job. >> it's playing out not as well as i anticipated. we expected to make much greater gains by this point. >> reporter: chicago's overall crime rate is actually down 10% from last year, and like other cities, the murder problem here is concentrated in a few specific areas. >> the entire city suffers when that violence happens, and this idea of, not in my backyard, is not okay. we have to make the entire city safe. >> reporter: mccarthy's plan he's confident will work includes holding gang members in custody, taking back specific street corners will drugs are sold and using gang information to predict and stop retribution
killings but he said he needs more help from it community. >> law enforcement itself is not going to solve the gang problem or gun problem in chicago. law enforcement is not going to fix the educational system or the poverty rate or any of those other things. >> get closer to home now. it's starting to get late, boys. >> reporter: one thing we noticed on our ride-along, the amount of children on the streets after dark. 34 kids have been killed in the violence this year alone, including 7-year-old heaven sutton, who was shot in the head while selling candy in her front yard. >> juveniles are the ones getting shot. we got to get them home. that's where the parents can help us a lot. >> quite frankly, we need the parents to step up a little built more and take ownership, sincerely of their children, and raise them a little bit better. >> stay here. >> reporter: at one point, they pull over two men driving a car with illegal tail pipes. >> got a license? >> reporter: they approach with caution and get them out you. they end up being clean. no gang tattoos, just two young men out trying to have a good
time. the men may feel like they're being harassed. they say it's a part of the job. >> overall we do a good job, as a police department, and our numbers, although they might have dushled up a little bit, you don't know, by the end of the year we might have that taken irka of. >> reporter: easier said than done and more work to be done in every day. ted rowlands, cnn, chicago. okay, thanks, ted. parents, you know you lurch your kids. you call to check on them, make sure they're okay. one young woman says her parents went too far, though. she took them to court and she won. her story's next. copd makes it hard to breathe,
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good for her. okay. we know who they are. maybe if you're bold you'll admit you're one yourself. a helicopter parent. for one young woman in ohio it went toot far, though. she took legal action. a helicopter meaning you're hovering over your kids all the time. 21-year-old college honor student aubrey ireland said her parents would regularly travel 600 miles to visit her at school unannounced. accused her of using drugs, being promiscuous and tracked her cell phone and computer use. she felt like a dog with a collar. and a judge agreed. granting her a restraining order against her parents. let's talk about this bizarre case with the one and only defense attorney joey jackson with us now. good morning to you. >> good morning, christi. happy holidays to you. >> happy holidays to you as well. thank you for being here. so first of all, these were the girl's parents. of course they want to make sure that she's okay, but where's that line? you know, legally, between being a concerned parent and now, i
mean, they are truly dubbed legally stalkers. >> they are indeed. listen, parents need to be concerned, and they should be concerned, but the facts here are ditch, and so when you look at parenting, yes, we all as parents want the best for our children, but it's another thing to become obsessive and here the lines certainly were crossed according to the jump and, christi according to the facts. when you start installing monitoring devices, some parents want to check and see what children are doing. traveling from kansas to ohio where your daughter is in school unannounced not saying anything and then go to her peers, in addition to administrators and are talking to administrators about, my daughter needs a mental health evaluation. she's promiscuous, abusive. engaged in assaultive behavior and it's enough. so, therefore, the message here is, christi, the law applies equally to everyone, whether a friend, family member, you have to behave in accordance with certain protocol and that means what you do is, you don't cross that line, and you don't do
things which cause threat, intimidation and fear in your daughter. >> okay. we just want to point out that we do not have any confirmation as to the mental capabilities or incapabilities of either aubrey or her parents. we just want to point that out, first of all, but how do you prove that they're crossing a line, legally, joey? >> well, what happens is, that generally the court has a hearing, and oftentimes, as you know, they'll try to avoid a hearings as they did here, going to mediators saying, listen, work it out. if you could establish there's some kind of imminent danger or present danger or threatening behavior which causes you that fear and intimidation and you do feel unsafe, as she was able to establish, a judge would say, you know what? you deserve the order. remember, also, christi, we're not dealing with a criminal matter beyond a reasonable douse. the proof is different. it's a preponderance of the evidence. is there a probability, likely you're feeling that way?
more likely than not? certainly she was able to show that on the facts of this case. >> let's take a listen here to what aubrey said in an abc interview, specially talking about her parents paying for college. >> they basically thought that because they were paying for my college tuition and living expenses that they could tell me what to do, who to hang out with and, you know, basically control all of my daily life. >> now, her parents have requested apparently that she pay back that $66,000 they spent on her education. could she be forced to do so? >> listen, the bottom line is that one thing does not necessarily relate to the other. when it relates to stalking, and abusive behavior, christi, that's one thing and that was certainly within the court's jurisdiction. when talking about prior things that were paid for your daughter and then you say, because i can't control you anymore, i want to claw back and take that money. you know, it's not likely as a result of that she should have
to pay it back. furthermore, christi, what we have to understand is that the whole issue of them paying had to do, you can argue with control. here was a young woman affordedal multiple scholarships at multiple universities. she chose to pursue her dreams here. her parents offered to pay. you wonder if it was predicated on control. it's not at all clear-cut they can take back money they invested in their daughter just because they don't like the fact she can't be independent and they can't tell her exactly what to do. >> quickly, they apparently were using monitoring software on her computer and her cell phone, and i'm wondering, is it legal to do that? particularly when somebody hits 18, and she's an adult? >> well, you know what? that's an open question. the bottom line is that as a parent, certainly, you look at things a bit differently than you would another individual. right? this is not a person who was a friend, a former relationship. these are parents who have an investment in their daughter. they want to see her do well.
they want to see her progress. they want to see her flourishing, which she does. here, ufr ho, the line was crossed, and you're not going to -- i don't think there's anything illegal about what they did. the only illegality relates to their behavior in general, which a court, because she was an adult, christi said, enough is enough. let her live her life. she's 21. let's sort of cut the umbilical cord and let her live happily ever after, which i hope she will. >> thank you. i want to switch gears. from a psychological standpoint, how harmful is this hovering over our children? >> our job as a parent is the to work ourts out of a job. that's what we have to understand. we want to be downsized. >> interesting. >> so as parents, we have to see we want to given our children wings. if you open up a cocoon too quickly on a butterfly it will never get its wings the way it should. as parents, when moving them through childhood and into
adulthood, really, by the time they're 18 we want to have given them the skims s killed to suc their own. as parents tie their own success into their children's success, sometimes they can get too involved which isn't healthy for anybody. >> in a recent interview, aubrey said her parents suffer from co-dependency disorder. we don't usually associate that with the parent/child relationship, were ut is that -- is it common? >> in varying degrees. sometimes you have to put a label on a lot of things. do parents get too involved in their kids' lives at times? e? they do at times. there's a balance we have to strike. that's the difficulty of sometimes finding that balance. some kids need adding more support. part of their temperament, maybe special needs issues or merntal health issues. ship kids need to be prodded to be more independent. you have to look at the individual situations and we don't know the facts of this situation and who may have had what. sometimes kids have issues, and in teenagehood, teenage years
they grow out of. could have scared the parents into wanting this extra control and sometimes parents are just too controlling. >> it could go both ways. couldn't it? >> absolutely. >> there are children co-dependent with their parents? >> right. a term they use about kids who come out of helicopter parents called teacups and crispies. the teacups, those kids who are so fragile that they break when you push them into challenges and things. and chrisrispies are fried to m from too much control. it's been fostered in many ways. >> i understand the teacups, but the crispies? >> so much pressure to succeed, to succeed, to succeed, by the time they get to college they're burns out and don't have the energy, don't have the drive. they're overstressing. that stress takes a toll on us neurochemically, too. >> some people mentioned the point that she's an only child.
is it more prevalent, excuse me to have these issues in a family where there is only one child? >> there would be a trend innen tendency tons do that, because so up much of your energy is invested in that one child. you only have one chance to get it right, which can bring a lot into a fear of failure. >> we appreciate you being here. thank you very much. turning now to travel, and the best way to get a real taste of a country is through the local foods. cnn ireport teamed up with travel and leisure magazine to create a global list of 100 places to eat like a local. our senior international correspondent ben wedeman's in cairo to sample. >> reporter: i'm ben wedeman's in cairo, egypt. if you're looking for something that's cheap, filling, nutritious and quintessentially egyptian, or so they say, abu tare is the place to go. there's no reason here to ask for a menu, because there's only one item they serve here, and
that is really, the working man's lunch here in egypt. kushari. it's a very simple dish with rice, pasta, lentils, tomato sauce, a sort of garlic and vinegar sauce, and as you can see, they do a very brisk business here. now, i said before that kushari isn't quintessentially an egyptian food, i discovered it's not. it actually coming from an indian dish that's composed of rice, lentils, fried onions and chopped vegetables. apparently introduced to egypt by the british army. so what we have here is the basic ingredients of the kushari, and what you do is add a bit of lemon to it. and some extra chickpeas, and what i like the most is the extra fried onions, which really
do add to this dish. plus, the tomato sauce. and if you so desire, there is vinegar and garlic sauce. i'll have some of that, and the hot sauce. the hot sauce, however, is seriously hot. as they say in arabic, [ speaking in foreign language ]. bon appetit. >> good. ♪ [ male announcer ] this december, remember what starts with adding a friend, ♪ ♪ could end with adding a close friend. ♪
you've's eve you know anderson cooper and comedian kathy griffin are teaming up. a sneak peek what we may have in store for their new year's eve special. >> somebody tells me, i'm not sure this is true, somebody temperaturing me you're obsessed with wolf blitzer, yet every year it's me talking to you guys, because i'm doing blitzer's show.
i'm wondering, do you take it personally? is there something to this? >> i have this. this is breaking news. >> i hahave have been warned to stay away from kathy griffin. kathy griffin once asked to stay at my house in long island. like a nice guy, i sent her a key, she wanted to go there a day in advance. >> to clean up the place. >> no. first of you a, she arrives, terribly disappointed. i think she thought it would be a house like in downtown abobea. >> there was no chef. >> there's no chef. she arrives. while i'm on the news, during commercial breaks i'm receiving tweets -- not even tweets, actually text messages from her. >> sexts. >> naked pictures of her, draped over my couch. >> i think candy has done that on a regular basis.
>> i had to get a wet vac there for a week. >> i said, why don't you have anderson what i sexted him on election night? >> she did. send e me dirty messages for david gergen. >> top that, crowley. >> okay. see, and usually i it follow-up really well, but there's just no place to go with sexting david gergen. i'm sorry. there's just not -- >> the most comparesing thing was i actually showed david gergen the messages. because she was pressuring me. >> weird stuff. >> expect bizarre and youd landiland iland outlandish is all i can say, the expressions on the faces is what makes it priceless. i can't wait to see what they have up their sleeve. >> interesting. what do you have new year's eve? >> well my birthday is new year's day. my parents are coming into town. we're going to a party.
it's all fun. and you are getting ready for -- >> what else? the fiscal cliff. a fiscal cliff special coming up new year's day. i have to go to bed early. too bad. >> sorry. the next hour of "cnn saturday morning" begins right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning, everyone. i'm alison kosik. >> and i'm chp cristi paul. we hope this saturday's been good to you so far. and hope coming from washington with negotiations going on this weekend between the two top senate leaders. cnn radio capitol hill correspondent lisa desjardins is in washington. good morning, lisa. you were on capitol hill yesterday for all of the political action between president obama, congressional leaders. do you think we're closer to a deal? i'm hearing optimism from the
president. is that real or is that imagined? >> reporter: right. what do you say? mod deftly or moderately optimistic he said? i think it's for real. people have wanting to get to this point for even a chance at a deal. that's where we are. not a deal yet but there's a chance for a deal. now two senators being the principal negotiators. mitch mcdonaconnell and harry r. harry reid said he is going to craft a bill with some of these items in it. take a look. one of those starting point items, extending tax cuts for people making anything under $250,000 a year. democrats have wanted that for a long time. that's where harry reid will be starting things today. he also is planning to include an extension of unemployment benefits. the unemployment benefits actually run out today.
that fiscal cliff we've already reached. that is going to be in this starting point deal. now, things we're less clear on. for example, the budget cuts that are impending for most of government, and also the debt ceiling. those are two items that we think may not be in a deal. may be kicked down the road. either those budget cuts will hit and will last, or there will be a different fix later. that's where things seem to be right now, but those are a little bit more up in the air. >> lisa, does that extension for tax cuts for everyone over $250,000, is that for households or for individuals? >> that $250,000 is for individuals. >> okay, okay. i see. so how long do lawmakers have to make a deal at this point? >> right. i just want to make sure we're clear. they want to extend the tax cuts for people whose family income is under $250,000. so people making above that would see their taxes increase under that potential deal. so how long do they have? well, until the very last minute, and maybe even beyond. the truth is, this deadline has always been seen at january 1st.
monday night, december 31st, but they can actually keep going, because january 1st being a federal holiday, markets closed. buying them another day. january 2nd, markets reopen, but this congress can keep working until actually the 3rd, alison, because that's when the new congress takes its seat, noon on january 3rd. if this congress wants the deal done, they have until then. even after that, of course, the new congress could take up the remnants of a new deal. unfortunately, we've got deadline after deadline, i know these eck tos would like to get it done in the next week, though. >> we shall see. thank you very much. known at the wilmington ten. 's in 1972 convicted of fire bombing a grocery store in wilmington, north carolina during riots, spaed by the shooting of a black teenager by police. the group want tos fully pardoned by the north carolina governor. the convictions were thrown out because of perjury and prosecutorial misconduct but the
records never cleared. purdue said she'll make a decision next week. in new york city, police are asking for your help finding this woman. take a look at your screen here. she was seen running from a subway station thursday evening after witnesses saw her push a man under the tracks as a train entered the station. the victim has been identified at 46-year-old sue naunld oh na. the second time in ahas been put of a train. the win the weather just will not quick. >> heavy winds, rain, tornadoes and snow, some parts of country are bracing for another round. meter theologist bonnie schneider is tracking it all for us. any good news? >> snow lovers, most of the country is covered with it right now. since the kid are still off from school, it might be a great thing. lower 48 covered in snope as w,w
as louisiana. so far, looking at a snowy start to the season. that may not be the best news for those driving today. i want to show you what's happening on our radar picture. a combination of rain, sleet and snoech across much of the eastern half of the nation. take a look. heavy thunderstorms through eastern north carolina at this hour but really the big story of the day has to do with the snow. it's snowing from chicago to be cleveland, and then it will advance further east. we could be looking at a big snowmaker for the northeast. specifically boston. looking at the computer model it's, depending how close this area of low pressure gets to the coast, we are likely to see heavy snow. winter storm warnings are in place for the boston area, and accumulations are likely to be heavy. this is something you may be shoveling out tomorrow in the early hours. so looking at the map you can see we have three to five inching through western mass. light snow for new york city. advisories for the five borough, not into nassau or sussex
county. parts of providence and into boston everybody aen the cape, even though the cape is looking at less snow due to the warmer ocean temperature around it. it's not over yet. still have more snow to contend with. >> bonnie, glad you're on it. thank you so much. would you believe the whole world has been keeping up with the health of nelson mandela and a lot of rumors. his granddaughter would only speak with our nadya belichick. what you're about to hear about their grandfather's condition. uh-oh.
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hospital stay. he's doing extremely well. he's surrounded by the family. we actually just left this afternoon. we just saw him this afternoon with the kids, and he was happy to see the kids. so he's really, really been taken care of very, very well. very, very well. and we'd just like to thank the whole world for sending us messages and keeping us in their prayers. we're just so happy and happy that he's home. he's doing extremely well. >> you said he was playing with the kids? he's actually sitting up? is he walking? >> he's sitting up, but he was waving at the kids and smiling at the kids. he's very alert. and he's very aware what's going on. so, yeah. he's doing extremely well. extremely well. >> you know, there have been so many speculations. ship say released from hospital because there was nothing more they could do for him. and now i've even heard he'll be waiting out his final days at home. again, is some of the speculation, you know, anything you can tell us? i think the whole world just cares so much about him.
>> i think, you know, as a family we're very, very grateful for all the well-wishes that we get on a daily basis, especially when it um can comes to our grandfather's health, but at the same time it's important for people to remember, they is 95, after all, and that once in a while he needs, you know, medical care, medical attention, and, you know, we're very -- we're very grateful, because he's surrounded by the best medical team. you know, he's very well taken care of and very comfortable and very happy. we spend a lot of time with him, see him a lot. we know that people worry and are concerned, but, you know, we just would like people to know that he's doing very well, he's in good spirits and very cheerful and very, very well taken care of. >> you've told me that some of the media reporting, especially social media, you've said, has not been 100% accurate. can you give me some examples of
where it hasn't been, and how that makes you feel? >> you just said exactly now that he's going home, and living out his last final days. that's absolutely not true. our grandfather is well. it can be very, very hurtful for us to hear these messages that our grandfather is going to go home and go die. it's just -- insensitive. we just really would like to appeal to the social media and the media to just, pleads, be sen sensitive to our feelings and our grandfather's feelings as well. he still gets up in the morning, reads the newspaper. he's also aware of what is being said about him. we would like to appeal to everybody to stop saying these things. our grandfather is great and doing very well. >> thank you both. some of the things it i've heard, so much speculation because there's so much secrecy. some people say, certainly reporter, say, why don't we know what's really going on?
do you think that's true? >> i think the point to remember is that he is -- he has every right to his privacy. >> privacy. >> and as the family, we call on people, and we urge people to give us the privacy to be able to deal with whatever we're going through as a family in private. >> private. >> i think many people are afforded, you know, that simple right to just, you know -- if their family member is in the hospital, that they can deal with it privately. so i think -- it just boils down to the fact that it's a private matter, and whatever goes on with him especially when it comes to his health should be dealt with privately, as a family. >> what happens to south africa when your grandfather, nelson mandela, is no longer physically with us? what does happen to south africa? >> i -- i think people need to remember that, you know, my grandfather played a huge role, and not only him, many other south africans played a huge role to get us
where we are now. i think, my grandfather said this when he was resigning from public life that, you know, it is now to south africans to take this country forward. that a legacy like his should be carried by as many people as possible. >> yes. >> and that i think generations like ours and generations to come are responsible, and it's really up to us to really take it forward and take this country forward, and i think that, you know, we are in a very -- i think that our government is very capable, and there are many people who are very capable to do that job and to carry this country forward. so i have no doubt in my mind that at south africa, we will be fine, and that we can't put the weight of our country on one person. we're more than capable to take this country forward, and, you know, even as his grandchildren, you know, we want to be a part of that legacy in carrying our grandfather's legacy forward. we're proud and honored to come from this family and i think people should just remember that they, too, can do something themselves. >> of course, nadia bilchik with
u.s. possibly crosses over the fiscal cliff, that's our focus this morning, and if lawmakers fail to reach a deal, that would mean spending cuts and tax hikes for 88% of all american households come tuesday. nvk, most americans will shell out and average's $3,500 a year in extra taxes but the ripple effect of the cliff won't just stop at taxes. some fear banks will tighten up on consumer lending, meaning you might not be able to get the new loan for a car or a home. with me now is sheila bair, the former chairman of the fdic and author of the new book "take the bullhe horns." thanks for coming on with me. >> thanks for having me. >> president obama met with top party leaders friday saying he was moderately optimistic. with your washington negotiation experience, where do you really think they are in the process?
are you really any closer to a deal, or is this just more posturing? >> i think this whole mess is really embarrassing spectacle. this should have been resolved long ago, and i do think, actually, they are going to get a deal, but i think it will be more along the lines of kicking the can down the road. i don't think, at least from this point what i'm hearing, we'll get meaningful debt reduction. certainly mot month-onot meaninx reform. perhaps a permanent restructure of the tax reforms those making under $150,000. the payroll tax will go away. that's going to impact a lot of workers. i think they will make some decisions this weekend. there's a good chance it will pass and become law, but i don't -- that's the good news. the bad news is i don't think it many will have meaningful deficit reduction. i think this is just going to keep dragging on and on. >> in your book, you advocate for raising the capital gains tax, which could make wall
street owe a lot more money than it does now. >> yes. right. >> that's discussed as part of a fiscal cliff deal, but many believe that will end up hurting the economy, giving a disincentive to invest money? was that just focused on the real wealthy? >> i hear that argument a lot. number one is, i'm really tired of our tax policy decisions. you know, everything, being made by what the market's going to do in the next quarter. this is about aberration of the tax code and grossly unfair. say they raise top tax rate to 39.6% for those making more than $500,000. that means a lot of small businesses will are paying that nearly 40% marginal tax rate where you have billionaire private equity funds paying 15, 20, even 24, depending where they put it. it's not an issue of penalizing investment income. it's an issue of penalizing labor, and those who make their income through wages. both are legitimate and both should be taxed at the same
rate. so i do -- again, fundamental tax reform could solve this problem, but at least raising the capital gains rate would help address this anomaly and susan collins and claire mccaskill have a proposal to try to give small business owners, legitimate small business owners, relief from this rate. it's upside-down, paying 15%, 20% and small businesses that do create jobs paying 39.6%. i think this is a source of unfairness, it's inefficient and we should be taxing all income at the same rate. >> and a fiscal cliff compromise won't happen with a sway and say with the negotiations. >> right. >> how much do lobbying groups wind up turning the negotiations in a certain way to really make things sort of end up where we just started? sort of going over -- >> again, capital gains is a good, wall street is heavily involved in trying to keep the rates as low as possible. so i think the lower capital gains rate is a good example.
i think the lobbying pressure is significant, but also just the pull verifization, the political pull zerization we've seen in our country. no governing middle right now in the country. that -- the center, where you find the compromises and bill consensus to move forward, we just don't have that governing coalition here, and the president has tried to work with the congressional leadership, and i understand that, but the congressional leadership really are dealing more with their kind of hard-line partisans. they're not negotiating from the middle either. i look back to the 1980s when i worked in the senate and we had ronald reagan as president and my old boss bob dole as majority leader. we did have governing coalitions. something called the reagan democrats. tip o'neill worked with ronald reagan. one mp the reasons he did that, tip o'neill was the speaker at the time, he knew there was a good chunk of centrist democrats who would switch over and vote with the president. so finding that middle, you know, if i were president obama
i would be up on the hill. that's what president reagan would do. go up and meet the swing states, go to their afrsoffices, ask fo their vets. susan collins, mark warner on the democratic side. those are the folks that will provide the centrist core that we need to have a governing coalition in this country so we can move forward. >> let's talk about how consumers will be affect the here. the federal reserve is currently keeping rates at historic lows trying to encourage boroughing's if we go over the cliff, right now banks are hardly lending as much it's a they really should be. what epps can lse can be done t banks to loan, especially if we do go over the cliff? >> you make deposits, make loans. into a certain economy, at low rates, that's a challenges thing. it does make you risk. i think you know -- i actually think letting rates bump up a
little bit. let the market determine, and i think the market would put the rates up a little bit, it could actually help lending. it's counter intuitive, and i think more borrowers will come in if they thought rates would go up. i don't think it's well-intentioned but i think it's hurt lending, not helped them. and taking a lot of money and putting it in trading operations, the large companies. that's something both the fed and other supervisors need to deal with. >> good thoughts there. thanks for coming on this morning. >> you bet. >> sheila bair. more on the politics of this fiscal cliff hanger in our next hour. these negotiations are raising questions about leadership in the house. could speaker john boehner be at risk of losing his position? at 10:00 we'll xl our washington panel. one last look at headlines coming up next. can tow up to 9,600 pounds? 315 horsepower. what's that in reindeer-power? [ laughs ] [ pencil scratches ]
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